What r/Anarchism feels like sometimes

pinkred33 · 1 month

http://answers.ask.com/Reference/Dictionaries/how_do_you_spell_comradery

Will_shred · 1 month

Here are some links that will get you thinking. If I have any advice to give it would be; know your history, know what you stand for, and know when to work with others who have different political beliefs.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12972.htm

http://vimeo.com/13300662

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7cFFKPeM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0y4lcB7ukQ

And if you're looking for something specifically Native American, here is an awesome documentary about the Oka Crisis

http://www.nfb.ca/film/kanehsatake_270_years_of_resistance/

Snarklefritz · 1 month

I agree with you on everything except what you said about not voting as a form of protest. For any protest to be meaningful it has to have a negligible impact on the establishment, not voting has zero impact. If anything, they want you to stay at home and not vote, hence why movies, television, and video games are shoved down our throat.

Snarklefritz · 1 month

You're organizing time is so preciuos that you can't spend maybe an hour in line to vote? If a single mom working two jobs has time to vote, you do.

Snarklefritz · 1 month

Well you could do that, but historically, I can't think of any instances where boycotting elections worked. It would, for tactical purposes, be better to organize a movement and vote for your own candidates. You'd be able to highlight how the electoral process is flawed much easier that way. Again, elections are a smaller part of a big picture. You can still be an anarchist and vote. You can still believe in all the things you believed before, you can still protest, organize, fight back when a cop has you cornered, all that, but NOT voting literally does nothing. We have to try and change society as it exists today. We can't abstain from engaging in politics just because the world doesn't correspont 100% with our views.

TheUngovernableForce · 1 month

This is a quite a good idea

anonnom · 1 month

I live in Vancouver so I won't be able to join you, I would if I could (I'll be attending the one in Vancouver). I think organizing a meet up is a great idea though. You might want to, if you can, organize a meet up a few day before to chat/plan/discuss what kind of organizations can be contacted for support; anarchist book stores, unions, churches etc.

Snarklefritz · 1 month

Actually, you should still vote. There are changes, but they are extremely small. You don't have to stop protesting, organizing, or any of the stuff you would do anyway, all you have to do is wait in line to check a box and pick the lesser of two evils. Elections, especially in the US are bought, but even small changes, in an overwhelmingly huge system do have some impact. A lot of this depends on which country you live in, if you live in the US, here is a really good Chomsky interview talking about what I described above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpNzDoH1II&feature=related

pinkred33 · 1 month

ditto

pinkred33 · 1 month

I disagree. This is just factionalism. Working with social democrates and liberals can, sometimes, lead to meaningful change in society. That doesn't mean you can't still hold to your principals, but you HAVE to work with people, and yes, even people who disagree with you on abstract long-term political questions. Nothing gets done with factionalism. And I agree, one shouldn't be satisfied with a liberal position, but you should know when to be against something, and when you should be for something.

pinkred33 · 1 month

The common enemy is illigitmate authority. I know the state does fall under that category, but so do corporations.

pinkred33 · 1 month

I think a lot of what you're telling me has it's origins in two things. 1) These are very slight differences that people should be talking about in public not on the internet. I'm not saying people CAN'T do it online, it's just way harder, and you loose that sense of connection with another like-minded human being. 2) I think some, not all, but some people here don't have a basic understanding of anarchism, socialism, labour history, etc. Some people here just seem to be extremely pissed off, legitimately I might add, but get too caught up in what they are AGAINST but not what they're FOR.

pinkred33 · 1 month

I don't have as big an issue with confrontation as I do the lack of comradery. I would like to hear your opinions on r/Anarchism's direction? What should be changed? What shouldn't we change? Or do you think, as a subreddit, it's perfect?

pinkred33 · 1 month

Who? The guys in Monty Python?

pinkred33 · 1 month

Okay, all I'm saying is that we just need to me more open minded, inviting, and at the same time trying to organizing. Sometimes this subreddit might aswell be called r/idreesallinblackandhatecops.

pinkred33 · 1 month

Obviously this subreddit isn't the entire anarchist 'movement', but it does illustrate popular currents in the radical left, in activitist issues, etc. I'm not trying to divide people by posting this, anyone can do and think what they want. All I'm saying is that we need more solidarity with others on this subreddit and on other left-wing subreddits if we are to create a more focused, energized, and meaningful movement. In this subreddit, more than any other, I've been called liberal, fascist, and communist, just for my differing opinion, WHICH ISN'T EVEN ALL THAT DIFFERENT, THATS THE POINT! Thats the point of this sketch, when all a movement does is squabble and call others 'dirty' names, it goes nowhere.

pinkred33 · 1 month

From my personal experiences I haven't met or talked to anyone who identifies as an anarchist say that they were AGAINST feminism. Was this an issue about the definition of the word? Or was it a case where people were against sexism, but didn't want to identify as being a feminist?

pinkred33 · 1 month

Agreed. I really do like r/Anarchism, I've found great articles, videos, and information here that I wouldn't be able to get anywhere else. But HOLY FUCKING SHIT! There is hardly any sense of comradery with, not just other anarchists, but anyone on the left. It's like "yea, lets just abandon Occupy because they haven't overthrown the capitalist system in seven months" or "you vote? oh, you must be a liberal tool". It's fucking ridiculous. We know who are enemies are, they're in CLEAR VIEW, factional squabbling just shows to the rest of the left, and the world, that we don't take anything seriously.

PornAgainChristians · 1 month

Hedges criticized black bloc tactics, some points he made were legitimate, some not so much. But if you think you can have a revolution in the US today, with JUST anarchist or revolutionary elements, good luck.

CompoundMix · 1 month

You sound like a troll, no offense

But if you're serious, here is the first thing I thought of

http://vimeo.com/13300662

PornAgainChristians · 1 month

What revolution? WTF are you talking about? Have you ever studied revolutions that have happened through history? Revolutions take many years of planning, struggle, organizing, educating etc. This, at least in America won't happen for awhile yet. I don't agree with Chris Hedges on a few issues, but I do agree with him on most, especially THE ONES THAT FUCKING MATTER. How do you ever hope to gain the support of the majority? Thats what you need for a revolution, you did know that right? Most people in the world, let alone the US, are not self-identified anarchists, deal with it. I'm not saying that you have to change your principals, but you have got to be open minded on these things for serious change to happen. If you're answer is "anyone who doesn't claim to be an anarchist or a revolutionary is a hindrence to the revolution", you're living in a fantasy world. Do all of your family and friends identify as anarchists too? If not, are they useless liberals in your eyes?

PornAgainChristians · 1 month

What?! Someone doesn't agree 100% with my radical political views? Well fuck that guy!

Andrewwolfj36 · 1 month

I agree with you that these comments are dispicable, but say to "Fuck r/occupywallstreet" is a bit of a stretch. I've found that r/occupywallstreet sometimes has more interesting content than r/anarchism. I agree, these comments are revolting, but don't be so willing to burn bridges with a community that shares a vision for greater democracy, less corporate control, communal living etc. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

HorrorHiro · 1 month

Well yes and no. There could still be money, society just wouldn't worship it. Money or vouchers, idealy, are just tools used for measuring things like hours of production etc. But I agree that a world where society still functions without money would be a breakthrough in human achievement.

pinkred33

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