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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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The media sources you list are generally liberal. Obama is not. That is why he is criticized by the left.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Greenwald is the best but why should the circular firing squad 'cool it'?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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Because they are all going to shoot each other, and the people who are less self-critical will take over, and the person who wishes the circular firing squad would cool it does not want this to happen. Really?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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that sounds awful!

[–]Godwhacker 5 points6 points ago

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Relax. We can criticize the president and still stand up against the racist tea party douchebags.

[–]blum1130 7 points8 points ago

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That's not the point. The "liberal media," is actually doing this thing called journalism. Leave the blatant hypocrisy to Fox and Drudge Report.

EDIT: For Punctuation

[–]wang-banger[S] -1 points0 points ago

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I'm envious. Fucking liberals are too balanced.

[–]blum1130 1 point2 points ago

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I think the word you are looking for is principled.

[–]digital_bath 2 points3 points ago

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Yes, they are. They focus on what he could be doing better, while the right focus on how he is a fascist Kenyan.

[–]StopCencorship 2 points3 points ago

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If the Democrats want to win, they should start behaving like winners.

Telling us to buck up and shut up is not good enough.

They'll get praise when they deserve praise. And they'll get lashed when they deserve it too, like right now.

[–]wolfgangcm 4 points5 points ago*

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I just wish the circular firing squad would cool it a bit until November 3

I'm curious, wang-banger, if the left has been "accurately critical" of the Obama administration and the Democratic party in general, why do you want them to "cool it" at a time when voting Americans need accurate information about the parties they vote for?

What do you think? Is it more valuable to the electorate to have well-sourced, accurate, but potentially ugly reports about a party (in this case, the Democrats), or cherry-picked talking points argued by pundits whose sole goal is to sway voters to the party line? Are you suggesting that journalists on the left should avoid publishing material that may harm the election chances of Democratic candidates?

If you could clarify why you'd like journalists like Greenwald to "cool it", wang-banger, it would do a lot to elucidate the point of this post.

EDIT: Grammar

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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We're not talking about objective, ugly reports. We're talking about internal fighting and smears. Liberals tearing themselves apart while the conservatives march lock-step is a guaranteed loss. Liberals have for a while had a problem with infighting which is ultimately detrimental to their own interests. I don't see anything wrong with wanting this to stop. It doesn't require anyone lying or suppressing the truth at all.

For example, liberals apparently can't stop screaming about Obama not getting the public option, or how he is just as bad as Bush because he isn't Dennis Kucinich. This isn't about the truth.

[–]wolfgangcm 2 points3 points ago*

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stentson:

We're not talking about objective, ugly reports. We're talking about internal fighting and smears. Liberals tearing themselves apart while the conservatives march lock-step is a guaranteed loss.

If by "internal infighting and smears" you also mean "unverified, poor journalism", this is false. It isn't just Robert Gibbs' beloved "professional left" that has noticed the Obama administration's illiberal agenda: Major media outlets have described the Democrats' super-illiberal, unconstitutional policies of extrajudicial killings and extraordinary renditions in detail. The content of posts such as this one is not assertion or ad hominem screed: it's well-sourced, high-caliber journalism describing issues of grave moment for liberals. The left's concerns are real, empirically-based doubts about the Democrats and not the result of "infighting and smears" aimed at dividing the electorate.

For example, liberals apparently can't stop screaming about Obama not getting the public option, or how he is just as bad as Bush because he isn't Dennis Kucinich.

It's very clear that Barack Obama isn't Dennis Kucinich--Kucinich is a liberal, while the Obama administration is driven by policies and political theories that are Centrist in nature. When a Glenn Greenwald or Marcy Wheeler attacks Obama's policies, it's not a case of the left beating up on the left: it's the left saying "Look, these are not our policies or views! We don't want insurance industry bailouts, extrajudicial killings, indefinite detention, drone wars, and the entire host of Obama administration policies!"

Those whiny liberals you mention who just can't seem to understand that Obama is as liberal as he can be aren't dissatisfied, fringe ideologues--they're people who are angry at being essentially thrown under a bus by an administration that was elected for the purpose of advancing liberal policies.

This isn't about the truth.

It's empirically obvious that the Obama administration has not instantiated liberal policies in the areas mentioned above. The left takes issue with the Democratic Party because of these failings, just as it would with any regime that supports illiberal policies; on what basis, then, do you say that this isn't about the concrete reality of what the Democratic Party has done?

Can you explain why liberals' concerns are so much "infighting" when the truth is that the policies of the Democrats are not at all representative of the their aims, stentson? How would you explain to someone who opposes the expanding war in Pakistan that supporting the Democrats is in his/her interest?

[–]StopCencorship 0 points1 point ago

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Stop telling me to censor myself.

[–]spacedout 0 points1 point ago

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Obama's not liberal.

[–]khrak -1 points0 points ago*

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And Fox regularly criticized Bush. What's your point? The liberal media made jokes about his intelligence and attacked him on non-issues regularly.

Remember when Bush walked to the wrong door after a speech? They made fun of him for weeks for that. Obama got on stage and read SOMEONE ELSE'S SPEECH thanking himself. It didn't even make the news for the most part. Obama trying to enter the White House though a window? Unmentioned. If Bush had done it? Ya...

Obama doesn't get regularly attacked because the media is unbiased. He gets regularly attacked because he's not far enough left for most of them.

[–]chicofaraby 4 points5 points ago

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Fox regularly criticized Bush.

Citation?

The crap you are talking about isn't criticism of policy, it's nonsense about things that don't matter. Frankly, since you are calling the corporate media "liberal" it's not surprising that you can't see the difference between real critical analysis and Entertainment Tonight.

[–]lecar 0 points1 point ago

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Leave John Tesh out of this.

[–]khrak -1 points0 points ago

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The crap you are talking about isn't criticism of policy, it's nonsense about things that don't matter.

DING DING DING

The fact that you don't think this is the point is rather amusing. They regularly attacked a politician based on their opinions about non-issues instead of actual policies. That's called a bias, and it's regularly aired on live TV.

[–]chicofaraby 4 points5 points ago

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Yes, that is the point. The left attacks the right wing Obama Administration about policy. The right wing corporate media attacked the right wing George Bush about pronunciation. The right wing corporate media attacks Obama about his religion and his birthplace. There is a huge difference.

[–]khrak 0 points1 point ago

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No it's not. Neither is relevant. The fact that you agree with the left doesn't make them correct, just you equally biased.

[–]chicofaraby 1 point2 points ago

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Hilarious. I was correct until I got specific.

[–]khrak 0 points1 point ago

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Hilarious. I was correct until I got specific.

I find it amusing that you still haven't gotten the point.

[–]nofrak -1 points0 points ago

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HuffPo, Greenwald, and FDL are not what people are referring to when they say "The Liberal Media."

[–]victwells -5 points-4 points ago

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This post is outrageous!!!!Pathetic lies!!!!!! Story after story is covered up by the left, the huffington post is the demwit party!!! Even who obama is is covered up by the left. The attacks on conservative candidates, DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE BELIEVES THIS DRIBBLE YOU ARE SPEWING!! ???? The public isn't !!!That is why CNN is always in last place in the ''news'' Show me someone that thinks the huffington post is credible and I'll show you a leftist. Take the rag in Washington, the washington post. That rag,since 1932, has always endorsed the demwit candidate,almost a 100 years!!!! Not only that the demwit candidate has always won the debates,according to that rag!!! So with 100%accuracy we can predict who they will endorse and even who will win the debate, before we even know who it will be. A pathetic record and even more pathetic that someone would come on here and post more ,leftist,media lies!!!!

[–]theleprechaun69 5 points6 points ago

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Your post is so full of fail i can hardly breathe.

[–]seanosul -1 points0 points ago

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You may not have noticed it but those to the left of lunatic wingnut also get that the Huff is not especially credible.

"Liberals" employed by HuffPo include fake feminist Am Siskind and concern troll Peter Dauo. As for the comments sections, they are not quite as bad as youtube but there are more than enough of the wingnut right there.

As for your concern about the debates, the only Republican President to have ever "won" those stiff non debates was Reagan. I can not think of any Republican Presidential candidate who has ever won the debate. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

[–]lecar -1 points0 points ago

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I like this one.